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| 08/12/2006 7:26 PM |
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A CALL TO ACTION!
Never Forget!
Unfortunately, we seem to need reminders of that terrible day September 11, five years ago. This week we got it in spades. The same people who murdered three thousand of our citizens have not given up! They are as relentless and have very long memories. I only wish that more Americans had the determination and commitment that our enemy has. It is with total amazement when I read or hear comments from our more leftist brethren and sisters who seem to think that if we all think happy thoughts and hand out flowers everything in the world will turn out just dandy. Of course, they never bother to actual read what our enemy says! Or if by chance they do they somehow convince themselves that they don’t really mean it. This moment in time is so much like the 1930’s when Hitler et al were coming into power. So many people (especially the Jews) could not accept that the Nazi’s meant what they said, much to the terminal detriment of at least sixty million and major inconvenience of tens of millions more.
A very curious fact of human nature seems to be that people see what they want to see and not what truly is. The real problem is that they cannot conceive that not everyone in the world thinks the way they do. Doesn’t everyone want to live in peace and harmony just like they sing in Coke commercials of decades past? Well frankly no, they do not! They want to enslave or kill you if you will not submit to their twisted thinking. Why do you think that they call us Crusaders?
Without the intervention of God, it is only a matter of time before New York, Washington DC or Los Angeles are consumed in nuclear fire. That is are enemies intentions. If they could do it today they would. It is only a matter of fissable material and time. This war had been going on for over a thousand years. In fact, the first real enemy this young country faced were Muslim terrorists off of the Barbary coast. We tried reasoning with them even them, but the only thing that they understood/understand is force. If you want to understand the Arab mind, the first thing one must accept is that they respect force and determination above all else. More often than not, kindness and compassion are viewed as signs of weakness. Especially for someone who is your enemy.
Do you really think that the American Empire is assured of eternal existence? If history teaches us anything is that all things pass with time. The books are filled with countless stories of past civilizations which have disappeared into oblivion. What makes you think that we are any different? Especially a country which has become so morally confused that it thinks the Barbarians are the at least equal or even more superior to us. Strange indeed!
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| 08/13/2006 5:30 PM |
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You brought up some good points. How did the Hitler rise to so much power? It was by slowly taking away people's liberties and blaming an enemy, the Jews. He took people's weapons and even murdered political rivals. He had the majority of the people screaming behind him as they were losing their liberties not realizing until it was too late that they couldn't get them back.
Why have past civilizations failed? Look at Rome. First , they had a big immigration problem. Second, the people had lost their morals and expected the government to do everything. Third, they embraced homosexuality. Fourth, many of their armies were destroyed in foreign wars. I think that this all happened because of internal government corruption.
I think that it is ignorant to say that all Arabs are out to destroy us. They could say the same thing about us and have near the same level of accuracy. They do make great scapegoats, just like Hitler did with the Jews. |
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| 08/13/2006 6:34 PM |
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| Once again you are putting words in my mouth or at least imply such. I have never said that "all Arabs are out to destroy us". What I have said again and again is that a literal reading of the Koran contains plenty of passages that can easily be sighted as to why Muslims should kill all those who are not. You wear very strange glasses Mulholland! You seem to see things in a very strange light and constantly repeat the same points over and over. This indicates to me a very inflexible mind. |
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| 08/14/2006 6:16 AM |
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And are you really saying anything new? You have said several times to remember 9/11 and the terrorists are our biggest threats. This time I presented my arguements in a little different light. You brought up the Jews. I am just pointing out How the Jews got in trouble. It was not because they were attacked by a foreign power but that they lost their rights in their own government. When have I mentioned this before? I used to believe that the terrorists were the biggest threat but I learned more about the Patriot Act and then the JBS and the Constitution. I started seeing things in a different light.
I sure wish that you would study a little be more about the secret combinations besides the terrorists. What have church leaders said about it? Why don't you show me how flexible your mind is? I have some great references when you are interested. |
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| 08/14/2006 8:30 AM |
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| Terrorists are our biggest threats! Have you not seen the news mulhollandj? Last week they got over 25 terrorists who were going to have 9/11 all over again! The Patriot Act helped! 9/11 was a real day in history. There are a few idots who think that there are no terrorists and that 9/11 was an inside job with. They think the towers were brought down with thermite. These people are crazy. |
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| 08/14/2006 10:07 AM |
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| Patriot Act. Congress didn't declare war. Squak! Squak! You brought up the Jews! Squak! Squak! You say the same thing over and over. Yes, I write about 9/11 and terrorism repeatedly because idiots like you just do not get it! I have tried repeatedly to paint you a picture, but you are so enthralled with you John Birch BS that you are truly blinded. I have personal experience with political repression. I have told you this before but evidently you have some kind of learning disorder. We are at war whether you recognize it or not. There are millions of Muslims (mostly Arabs and allies like Chavez) who think of nothing save killing your sorry butt! I am very tired of debating you because you bring nothing new to the table. Why do you not just confine your snide comments to your own blog and leave me alone. Your are a diletante and a total waste of my time. I will not respond to any of your comments any more! |
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| 08/14/2006 10:58 AM |
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I admire your zeal to protect this country. I used to believe that the terrorists were the biggest threats but then somebody explained the Patriot Act to me and then some other things. I have started to understand the Constitution much better and how it was created. I am also trying to learn at what the founders purposefully avoided.
I do have some questions that I would like you to think about and some things I would like you to read. If you have any questions for me or things you would like me read I would be happy to do it. Let us educate each other instead of spinning around in circles.
Why is government necessary? Is it to be feared? Why?
Who owns and runs the Federal Reserve? How does it create money?
Does the Patriot Act violate the Constitution?
How much deeper in debt has this country gone in the last 8 years? Why?
Why did the founding fathers specifically say that the senate has the power to declare war?
I am pretty sure you are LDS so I will give you some various LDS leader talks on these things.
Stand Up For Freedom - Ezra Taft Benson
Freedom and Free Enterprise - Ezra Taft Benson
I Testify - Ezra Taft Benson
Civic Standards for the Faithful Saints - Ezra Taft Benson
Sorry everything is Benson right now but this is what I have read through. I woul appreciate you reading this stuff and telling me what you think along with answering the questions. Remember to give me some if you have any. |
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| 08/14/2006 12:14 PM |
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You use the Koran to justify your believe that all Muslim kill, or should kill, all who do not believe the same as they do. What exactly is the difference between that and how the Bible speaks of non-believers in the Old Testament? If you condemn Muslims/Arabs for that, you condemn yourself as well, if you believe in the Bible.
Whether you wish to accept it or not, there are many covenants and promises that have been made to those people as the descendant of Ishmael. Those people are some of the most devoted and best people in the world. They have their extremist just like everyone else, but that doesn't make them bad.
You speak of there being millions of Arabs who think of nothing other than killing us. Well, there are hundred's of millions of Arabs out there, so let's just say that's about 1% of all Arabs think we need to die. So far, I count 4 people who have spoken here. That makes 25% of our population that thinks the same way about them. So who's they bad guy now? You condemn them for feeling the same way about you that you feel about them. But let me guess, they started it? |
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| 08/14/2006 4:20 PM |
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Last week a Muslim opened fire on a Jewish center killing one and wounding several more. Last spring another Muslim rented an SUV and used it to drive over numerous students in North Carolina. About a year ago another adherent to Islam (born in the US) strapped a bomb to his body evidently with the purpose of killing infidels at a football game and apparently blew himself up by accident. There have been numerous arrests during the last year or so here and in Canada of adherents wanting to commit terrorist attacks. Your argument is a very politically correct version created by adherents to multiculturalism. All over the world Muslim terrorists are killing hundreds of infidels, be it Buddhists monks in Thailand, Hindu's in India, to Christian girls in Malaysia. Millions of Christians and Jews have been driven from their homes by violence in Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon (which used to be primarily Christian) and throughout all of Asia.
All you have to do is read what they say. There is a war going on which many in the West refuse to believe. Political correctness has blinded many to the threat. I am not particularly interested in debating theology with you. Your programming is getting in the way of your seeing the reality of the situation. I used to use arguments just like you. After 9/11 I finally woke up. The difference is that Christianity underwent a reformation. Islam is highly resistant to this concept. That is why most of Arabia still live in the Stone Age and reject science, etc. You may live as an ostrich but do not be surprised when they get around to killing you and yours. Wake up! You know nothing about me but immediately accuse me of being an Islamophobe. This is typical leftist pap.
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| 08/14/2006 6:59 PM |
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Posted By engineereeyore on 08/14/2006 12:14 PM
You use the Koran to justify your believe that all Muslim kill, or should kill, all who do not believe the same as they do. What exactly is the difference between that and how the Bible speaks of non-believers in the Old Testament? If you condemn Muslims/Arabs for that, you condemn yourself as well, if you believe in the Bible.
Whether you wish to accept it or not, there are many covenants and promises that have been made to those people as the descendant of Ishmael. Those people are some of the most devoted and best people in the world. They have their extremist just like everyone else, but that doesn't make them bad.
You speak of there being millions of Arabs who think of nothing other than killing us. Well, there are hundred's of millions of Arabs out there, so let's just say that's about 1% of all Arabs think we need to die. So far, I count 4 people who have spoken here. That makes 25% of our population that thinks the same way about them. So who's they bad guy now? You condemn them for feeling the same way about you that you feel about them. But let me guess, they started it?
I don't think that all Arabs are bad! Those who are bad should be done away with though. There is alot of them. I can think of those who brought down the Twin Towers along with 3000+ innocent people! I can think of those who saw off innocent peoples heads slow with a dull knife. I have the videos if you would like proof of the acts of these scum bag animals. They don't have the BA*** to attack our military because they know they would be killed as fast as they could blink. They resort to killing innocent people and then run and hide. If they get attacked by us or Isreal in defence, they just call on the UN to come and save them. That is what the UN does best. |
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| 08/14/2006 7:56 PM |
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I don't think that all Arabs are bad! Those who are bad should be done away with though. There is alot of them. I can think of those who brought down the Twin Towers along with 3000+ innocent people! I can think of those who saw off innocent peoples heads slow with a dull knife. I have the videos if you would like proof of the acts of these scum bag animals. They don't have the BA*** to attack our military because they know they would be killed as fast as they could blink. They resort to killing innocent people and then run and hide. If they get attacked by us or Isreal in defence, they just call on the UN to come and save them. That is what the UN does best.
First of, I don't recall having stated that I believe you thought all Arabs were bad. Should people be punished for their actions? Absolutely, regardless of religion. My statement was none other than that we should never be bigoted towards people of a religion due to the actions of a few.
As for them not having they "BA***" to attack our military, you better pray to all heaven they never do. I can promise you that this country could not hold back a joint attack by the Arab nations. So be as cocky as you wish, but this country does not have the ability to do what you think it does. Definitely not in its current state. |
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| 08/14/2006 8:48 PM |
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Last week a Muslim opened fire on a Jewish center killing one and wounding several more. Last spring another Muslim rented an SUV and used it to drive over numerous students in North Carolina. About a year ago another adherent to Islam (born in the US) strapped a bomb to his body evidently with the purpose of killing infidels at a football game and apparently blew himself up by accident. There have been numerous arrests during the last year or so here and in Canada of adherents wanting to commit terrorist attacks. Your argument is a very politically correct version created by adherents to multiculturalism. All over the world Muslim terrorists are killing hundreds of infidels, be it Buddhists monks in Thailand, Hindu's in India, to Christian girls in Malaysia. Millions of Christians and Jews have been driven from their homes by violence in Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon (which used to be primarily Christian) and throughout all of Asia.
And???? So what. I understand these are horrible crimes. I understand the people need to be punished. All I stated was that you can't simply condemn a religion or people based upon the acts of a few.
All you have to do is read what they say. There is a war going on which many in the West refuse to believe. Political correctness has blinded many to the threat. I am not particularly interested in debating theology with you. Your programming is getting in the way of your seeing the reality of the situation. I used to use arguments just like you. After 9/11 I finally woke up. The difference is that Christianity underwent a reformation. Islam is highly resistant to this concept. That is why most of Arabia still live in the Stone Age and reject science, etc. You may live as an ostrich but do not be surprised when they get around to killing you and yours. Wake up! You know nothing about me but immediately accuse me of being an Islamophobe. This is typical leftist pap.
Okay, the fact that you would consider Muslims to reject science etc., just show absolute ignorance. That culture is responsible for a huge amount of the mathematical and scientific understanding that we currently have. So what are you talking about?
This is your comment: "This war had been going on for over a thousand years. In fact, the first real enemy this young country faced were Muslim terrorists off of the Barbary coast. We tried reasoning with them even them, but the only thing that they understood/understand is force. If you want to understand the Arab mind, the first thing one must accept is that they respect force and determination above all else. More often than not, kindness and compassion are viewed as signs of weakness. Especially for someone who is your enemy."
If you're not an Islamaphobe, then why are you talking like one? If it looks like a man, if it talks like a man, it's most likely a man. Fancy that. As for you 9/11 wake up call, spare me. I live in New York and that event meant more to me that a person like you can possibly imagine. So using your comment, "you know nothing about me." And for you information, I'm not even close to being a leftist.
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| 08/14/2006 8:56 PM |
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| I can understand your first part to an extent. In the second part you said, "you better pray to all heaven they never do." It is more like they better pray that they never do. Our millitary can do more than you think! If they ever joint attacked us, their land would be a quiet place for many thousands of years. We could level every country over there in a mater of a few hours. Heaven forbid that we would ever have to do that but the option is on the table for us as it is for Israel. The President delivered a message to Congress a few years back at the starting of the war on terror similar to this referring to our options in protecting our Country. The USA must be protected at all costs. The only way this country could fall is if Democrats turn us over to the UN, degrading our military and private freedoms, forcing us to become as screwed up as Europe. I'll grant you that they could take over Europe any day if they wanted to. |
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| 08/14/2006 9:18 PM |
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Democrats and the UN? Bush is the one trying to push us towards a regionalized government. Read the new national Republican platform. It is very different from 10 years ago. Instead of mocking world government they are all for it now.
We are also a republic and not a democracy/lynch mob. We do not pick up all arabs because some are bad as Hitler did with the Jews and this is one of the biggest problems with the Patriot Act. It makes a government of the scared instead of a government for all the people. |
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| 08/14/2006 9:28 PM |
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| mulhollandj, if you don't like the patriot act, what would you suggest in place of it? How do we know when and where an attack will be? You make it sound as if the Democrats are better than Republicans. Bush hates the UN! I never said anything about our being a democracy. I know very well that we are a republic. |
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| 08/15/2006 1:21 AM |
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What should be in the place of the Patriot Act? That is a good question. I am not entirely sure. But why do 'need' something that violates our civili rights when we leave the border with Mexico so open? I know that we need to become a 'moral and religious' people again because that is who our system of government is for. I know that we need to study the Constitution in the tradition of the founding fathers and elect those who will live by it.
There are many who seek to destroy our country but not all of them are obvious. The communists have done more damage to our country by pushing us towards a welfare state than they ever did with all their armies in the Cold War. There is a conspiracy out there and many of our elected officials are caught up in it. They are either part of it, seeking power so much that they are blinded by their own ambition, or not wise enough to see past it. We need to elect people that are both free from this and wise enough not to be manipulated.
This is a good article on the national republican platform which is very pro world government. http://www.latterdayconservative.com/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=120
What do you know about Bush and the FTAA? Do you know who the CFR are? Why does Bush have so many on his cabinet if he hates the UN so much? If he really thought the UN was bad then he would support Congressman Ron Paul in not funding it anymore.
I never said the democrats were better. At a national level it is almost impossible to distinguish between the two. The way that gunrights talks about the rights of muslims he seems to think that we are a democracy/lynch mob. Under a republic we follow the rule of law first which may not always be the will of the majority. |
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Posted By Code101 on 08/14/2006 8:56 PM
I can understand your first part to an extent. In the second part you said, "you better pray to all heaven they never do." It is more like they better pray that they never do. Our millitary can do more than you think! If they ever joint attacked us, their land would be a quiet place for many thousands of years. We could level every country over there in a mater of a few hours. Heaven forbid that we would ever have to do that but the option is on the table for us as it is for Israel. The President delivered a message to Congress a few years back at the starting of the war on terror similar to this referring to our options in protecting our Country. The USA must be protected at all costs. The only way this country could fall is if Democrats turn us over to the UN, degrading our military and private freedoms, forcing us to become as screwed up as Europe. I'll grant you that they could take over Europe any day if they wanted to.
WHAT?!? We could level every country, what?! And you think we'd just be sitting here perfectly normal with no problems? You clearly have dillusions of gradure that I can not even comprehend.
Our military is scattered. Those countries outnumber our military force by an almost insane number. You think just because we can launch a few nuclear bombs that that means they don't have a chance? You think they don't have them? You think the current Arabs in our country wouldn't start attacking our country from the inside? You honestly think that the United States could stand up to any attack made against it?
That's a kind of denial I can't even comprehend. Our military could in fact cause a significant amount of damage to their countries, but we would incure just as much if not more. And in case you haven't noticed, such weapons aren't nearly as effective in mountainous areas, which that areas is almost completely covered in. The entire eastern portion of our country could easily be wiped out.
What's even more amazing is how people like you feel that anyone who is worried about a war with these people are automatically democratic, which I am far from being. I have never stated that we shouldn't be at war, that we shouldn't be punishing those responsible for the crimes against our country. But it dang well better be done delicately.
We may indeed be able to "level every country over there in a matter of hours", which we actually can't, be we would easily be leveled in the same amount of time.
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| 08/15/2006 10:07 AM |
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dear engineerpoliticalcorrectblindasabat
I contributions that you refer were made centuries ago. Answer the question. Why does the Muslim world live in the Stone Age? |
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| 08/15/2006 10:17 AM |
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dear gunshootfirst,shootagain,aftereveryoneisdead,trytomakepeace,rights
I don't have to answer that question because I don't believe they do. The real question is why do you think they live in the Stone Age?
Personally, I think they live the way they live because it's what makes them happy. They live that way because they want to.
But curse those dumb people!! They should live like we do!!!! I know we never make mistakes and our country is perfect!!!!
What a bigot. Tell me, do you hate the people in Africa too because their tribes haven't adopted cell phones? Do you hate 7/8 of Australia because it hasn't be civilized? And what the crap???? What is Antarctica and northern Alaska doing without a booming metropolises??? Curse those freakin eskimos!!!
Give me a break. That's just pathetic. |
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