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Gunrights
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04/10/2006 10:18 AM
A CALL TO ACTION! The Medias War with War In today’s issue of the HJ, there is a long article about the sufferings of one Iraqi war veteran’s battle with post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). This fits in with their very antiwar viewpoint. If you want to understand today’s media you have to understand the 70’s. That is you have to think in terms of the Vietnam War and Watergate. These were the two seminal events which have shaped this generations thinking and why most of them went into journalism. All Republican politics and all wars are now viewed through this lens. That is why shortly in to the war in Afghanistan they started talking about a quagmire. Of course the toppling of the Taliban took about two months, but they didn’t learn a thing. The next thing you know they are talking about a quagmire shortly into the Iraqi war. Around the time of 1968 this same generation began to take over the Democratic Party. They are what form groups like MoveOn.org, Operation Pink, etc, etc. That is radical leftist politics has a big influence with the Democratic Party. Because of this factor, you see Democratic politicians doing all kinds of weird gyrations over the war in Iraq. They are for the war, but against it. Hillary knows that she could never get elected by reflecting this type of viewpoint, so she is pretending to be a centrist, but make no mistake, she is every part of that generation and she is a very big leftist at heart. She even studied under a Leninist during her post doctorial studies and called herself a Leninist at that time. That is why a laugh, whenever her supporters try and paint her as very religious. These people have no shame. They believe the end justifies the means and will say or do anything to gain power. That is what makes them so dangerous. Anyway, part of the whole Vietnam syndrome, is you have to paint War Vets as victims. By that they mean psychopaths, criminals, as homeless and various other variations. So in today’s HJ we learn about one soldiers struggle with PSTD. Now do not get me wrong. War is a horrible thing and anyone involved soon experiences traumatic events. What is really sick about all of this is that they pretend to care about the welfare of our veterans. They grieve so deeply about all of the deaths and the wounded. The sad thing is they are just using them to support their anti war agenda. I truly believe most of them are not even aware of this, but they actually hold disgust and animas towards anyone who serves in the military and especially those who fight. That is why Congress is considering a bill that would require a ban on all protests during funerals of our war dead. It is a truly a sad statement that this bill even had to be written. Next time you read the paper, notice that all of the articles written about war are very negative. I couldn’t believe some of the propaganda that AP writers get away with. I remember two Christmases ago, one particular AP writer in Baghdad wrote a piece called the “Sounds of Baghdad.” She clearly had only talked to former Bathists or those would have benefited from them being in power. I complained to the HJ but it did no good. Bruce refuses to even consider the possibility that there could be a liberal bias in the media. He even told me that this belief was a direct result in talk radio! Of course, he has spent his life in that business, I could never admit to himself that there is a fundamental problem with his beloved profession. Peace

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04/12/2006 10:26 AM
I agree the media is biased but there are many problems with this "war". Do you know when the last time we declared war according to the Constitution? WWII! My opposition to the war is that is was not done according to the Constitution. The Bush Admiinistration has done some positive things and I think is better than a Kerry Administration but there are many serious problems. Have you seen what Bush has done to our national debt? He has trampled on the Constitution with such things as the Patriot Act and spying on Americans. He has also made a good deal of progress pushing us to a EU type government for Mexico, Canada, and the US through NAFTA, CAFTA, FTAA, etc and then onto a world government. He has also done a terrible job protecting our borders, see the previous sentence. When we have a regional government like the EU or a world government what happens to the our "God-inspired" Constitution?

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04/12/2006 1:56 PM
I will not argue with you. All of the points which you raise are valid! My only arguement is that the press will not tell us the truth about the threat (to the US) Iraq posed. I only wish the American people would insist on a more Constitutional Government. Lets not argue about the problems of our republic, until the threat to the republic is answered. That is my first priority. I am neither a Republican nor Democrate. And thanks for responding. I only wish more people would get involved.

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04/12/2006 4:04 PM
So what is the threat to our Republic? Is it terrorism? I really don't think so. So many LDS people, including myself, jumped on with the war on terror as the Book of Mormon teaches about secret combinations. Despite all that the Gadianton Robbers did they did not destroy the government. It was the secret combinations that were working in within the government that destroyed it. Even the Cheif Judge was a member. It wasn't the Lamanites that were the big threat to the Nephites but the dissedents and internal strife caused much more harm. Where are the secret combinations today? Where are the internal threats which, in my opinion, threaten the government much more than any outside threat.

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04/12/2006 4:51 PM
Posted By mulhollandj on 04/12/2006 4:04 PM So what is the threat to our Republic? Is it terrorism? I really don't think so. So many LDS people, including myself, jumped on with the war on terror as the Book of Mormon teaches about secret combinations. Despite all that the Gadianton Robbers did they did not destroy the government. It was the secret combinations that were working in within the government that destroyed it. Even the Cheif Judge was a member. It wasn't the Lamanites that were the big threat to the Nephites but the dissedents and internal strife caused much more harm. Where are the secret combinations today? Where are the internal threats which, in my opinion, threaten the government much more than any outside threat. I agree with you in that there are some within the government that do not respect or stand up for the Constitution. It is important to note that not every elected person is doing a bad job. Those such as Hillary and Teddy, just to mention a few are some of the worst our Country has ever seen. They are systematically destroying our country from within. Just look at the whole thing with the UN. You have pretty much all of the Democrats and some of the Republicans (who should just call themselves a Democrat) trying to hand over our Country to these thugs at the UN on a silver platter. The UN clearly wants our superpower military. Our private property and gun rights are under major attack right here in Logan of all places, just look at the “Trails, open space and land use” saga! We have a situation now where several Senators want to let the illegal immigrants go on as they are. They refuse to secure our borders. I could go on and on. I’ll give you that. I however look back at 9/11 and see an even worse threat. People from another country attacked us and killed thousands of Americans. They want to do it over and over. They want to kill all of us as barbarically as they can. These crazies slit people’s necks on flight 93. Did you watch the beheading videos of your fellow Americans? These people are Animals! Actually, I don’t even think I could degrade an animal to their level. I like President Bush’s title for them. They are “killers”! Not people. If we don’t destroy the terrorists, they will get us again. I fear it will be a much worse attack than 9/11 if they, Heaven forbid succeed. If I could list the top 3 threats to our nation, I would put them in this order. 1. Terrorists. 2. Elected people and Citizens not respecting all of the aspects of the constitution. 3. The UN / Europe and their Socialist/Marxist system. Notice how connected threat 2 and 3 are I would defiantly consider Terrorism as the number one threat to our Nation!

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04/12/2006 5:19 PM
What makes foreign terrorists so dangerous is now WMD. Iraq was in league with Al Qaeda and supplying them with support and materials. A recent document which has been declassified and translated is a call for suicide volunteers within the Iraqi Airforce. There is good reason to believe that Iraq played a significant role in the first World Trade Center bombing and overwhelming evidence of overall planning and financing of the Bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in OK city. At what point would you call terrorism a major threat. When they set off a nuclear bomb in one of our major cities? Where do you think the Anthrax came from, which was used just after 9/11 to cause far more panic? I have been spied on and targetted by the Agents of the Federal Government in the past. Please show me one example where a lay abiding citizen has been harmed or had their rights trampled on by the Patriot Act. I am not defending everything about the act. But I believe much has been made of this provision by the left for other reasons than concern about our welfare. Do you have any idea how much damage could be done to our entire utility grid by a EMP burst? The missle could be launched at sea by a stolen ship. Who would be retailiate against. I dare say, such an act would devestate the US economy and take decades to repair and recover from. Principles are important. But why argue about procedural matters when the barn is burning. The American people are so clueless and have been kept in the dark for so long, that I believe the first priority should be to get them to turn away from the press and start thinking forthemselves. Don't you think that makes sense?

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04/12/2006 5:33 PM
Again I disagree. I believe that the Constitution was given to us by God and we should not stray from it. There are procedures given to declare war and to amend it. First off, we have not declared war according to the Constitution. Congress has kind of given that power to the UN. Secondly the Patriot Act is unconstitutional and the tricky thing is that it is hard to challenge. I admire your zeal and held the same position until I learned more about it. The government could arrest me and hold me indefinitely and not even confirm they have me under the act. Is this unconstitutional? The biggest problem is that people didn't read it as they had less then 24 hours before it was voted on and it was around 200 pages. And if you didn't vote for it was almost as if you had committed treason. I am personally in favor of a much smaller government and this has given them a huge amount of power which will be hard to get back. Which is worth more, security or freedom? If we scream to government to protect us then we are no better than those in New Orleans. Which is worse, death or a life under oppressive rule? I disagree that an EMP burst would devestate the US economy unless the economy were already so fragile due to a high dependence on the government and huge amounts of debt. If we were individually prepared by being debt free and having a years supply of food then we will be OK. But of course those are not my ideas. Remember how many times the LDS population was forced to move and how quickly they were able to set up and have a well functioning economy.

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04/13/2006 10:20 AM
Try and imagine a country without any electrically power, no computers, few automobiles and then tell me this wouldn't devestate the nation and its economy. For the most part I agree with you again. But look how far we have wandered and how few Americans even seem to care! These people need to be reached and the best way I know how is to moderate your message so they can hear you. I know alot of principles people who either talk to the choir or to themselves because the American people cannot hear them. They seem like nuts or radicals. You can be arrested and held without bail or any hearing and it would be consitutuional. Its called martial law. If you think that the government wouldnt declare this under a nuclear attack then you are delusionsl. Secondly, I personally do not want to return to 19th century, thank you very much and I seriously doubt most people would. When you get some time you should look up the term CONINTELPRO. This program was used in the 70's. People had their apartments burglarized, their mail was tampered as well as phones were tapped, were fired from their jobs and some were even murdered and even though this was all proven later in a court of law little was done and compensation was a joke. You might feel self righteous because you are debt free and prepared for disaster, but it could get to be a lonely place if you survive because roving bands of starving people havent killed you and taken what you have or burned you out. We are all stuck in this situation together. I feel a moral responsibility to reach people who can hear the message. Your viewpoint is rather special and not shared by many. I share almost all of it but differ with you on tactics. When people get scared they do crazy things. Look what happened after Pearl Harbor. I guarntee you that if a atomic attack occurs in this country in a city like New York the government will institute martial law so quick it will make your head spin. Right after that they will shut down the phones, and internet so good luck communicating with others. Do you think it is more important to be right or to effect change?

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04/13/2006 11:16 AM
Again I appreciate your zeal to do what you think is right and help this country avoid disaster. First of all I doubt there is an EMP powerful enough to take out the whole nation or even any more then a large city. If one city is fried, say New York, then I agree that it would create big problems but wouldn't be catastrophic. I believe that most of the recovery would be done in a year. However in the mean time major businesses might move elsewhere and people would have to relocate. This is not the end of world. Even if NYC is nuked it still wouldn't be the end of the world. Millions would probably die and there would be huge devestation but people would recover. The physical damage done and lives lost are not what concern me the most. It is the psychological damage. Stock and money are only worth what people think it is. Even after 9/11 there was a run on the stock market, same with Pearl Harbor. The market fears uncertainty and prices drop dramatically which can result in the loss of huge fortunes. Paper money can quickly become worthless in a disaster also because I would rather have my food then my money. Why would the government shut down the phones and the internet? I think that we disagree on the solution. It appears that you are arguing more dependence on the government while I am arguing for people to be self sufficient. I am not talking about martial law, I am talking about now with the Patriot Act and this is not martial law. You argue that it is ok for the government to have the power to spy on americans and violate the right of habeus corpus. You want to depend on the government protecting people on multiple levels. I am saying that the government has too much power already and as people get scared they are freely giving up their freedoms. I think a good comparison is the Teton Dam Disaster and New Orleans. With the first, people were self sufficient and were able to organize themselves for a quick recover, primarily through the leadership of the LDS Church. In New Orleans they waited for the government and it was a disaster in and of itself. The people were not prepared and were already living off of the government. I am not advocating that we don't have a military but that we spend so much on defense that we mortgage away our future. Why mortgage away you home to pay for your property insurance? Which method gives us freedom and which method surrenders it? Is it important to be right or effect change? I would rather be right less the change I effect is in the wrong direction. But I do believe that we have a duty to help our neighbors, not through force (taxes) as it most often fails, but through our own charity that we have for others. Are you suggesting that I not prepare for fear that others will take that which I have prepared? That is why I encourage people to be prepared and not depend on the government to bail them out in a disaster. "If ye are prepared ye shall not fear".

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04/13/2006 1:30 PM
I do not understand where you get that I am arguing for more government. What I am saying is that there is a very real and dangerous threat which you do not seem to truly appreciate. A 1-5 megaton blast fifty miles above the center of the US would mostly likely wipe out 85% or more of our grid becasue most of it is connected. Did you not notice the damage done to our economy after 9/11. So what do you propose other than regular attendance at church. The world goes on without you and you are directly effected by it. Look how many Americans dispite the clear language of the Second Amendment belive in gun control. Dispite its failure throughout the world. What I am saying is one must crawl before one can walk. I have been involved in the pro gun rights movement for awhile now and I have learned a few lessons. That is what I am trying to convey to you without much success. I am saying that no matter how much you prepare you are still part of this community and those. It would be far better to avoid a catastrophe than live through it.

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